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  • Jaime
    09-11 03:54 PM
    For the first time in its history, the U.S. faces the prospect of a reverse brain drain. New research by my team at the Pratt School of Engineering at Duke University shows that more than 1 million highly skilled professionals such as engineers, scientists, doctors, researchers, and their families are in line for a yearly allotment of only around 120,000 permanent-resident visas for employment-based principals and their families in the three main employment visa categories (EB-1, EB-2, and EB-3). These individuals entered the country legally to study or to work. They contributed to U.S. economic growth and global competitiveness. Now we've set the stage for them to return to countries such as India and China, where the economies are booming and their skills are in great demand. U.S. businesses large and small stand to lose critical talent, and workers who have gained valuable experience and knowledge of American industry may become potential competitors.

    The problem is simple. There aren't enough permanent-resident visas available each year for skilled workers and their families. And there is a limit of fewer than 10,000 visas that can be issued to immigrants from any single country. So countries with the largest populations such as India and China are allocated the same number of visas as Iceland and Mongolia.

    Visa Delays Deprive U.S. of Talent The result is that wait times for employment visas currently stretch from four to six years for immigrants from countries such as India and China, and all indications are that these delays will get longer. Based on a 2003 study of new legal immigrants to the U.S. called the New Immigrant Survey, we estimate that in 2003, about 1 in 3 professionals who had been through the immigration process either planned to leave the U.S. or were uncertain about remaining. Media reports and other anecdotal evidence indicate that many skilled workers have indeed begun to return home.

    Much of the current public debate on immigration centers on concerns over low-skilled immigrants entering the U.S. illegally. We do need to develop fair policies to deal with this problem. But skilled immigrants who enter the U.S. legally are a different issue. Professor Richard Devon of Pennsylvania State University estimates that in the U.S. about $200,000 is invested in a child by the time they gain a bachelor's degree in engineering. That means that the U.S. gains billions of dollars in benefit from educated professionals who leave other countries to come here. And we lose billions when they return home. Additionally, we end up training highly skilled workers in our markets, technology, and way of doing business.

    Consider this: Earlier research by my team found that more than half of the engineering and technology companies started in Silicon Valley and a quarter of those started nationwide from 1995 to 2006 had immigrant founders. These companies employed 450,000 workers and generated $52 billion in revenue in 2006. Their founders tended to be very highly educated in science, technology, math, and engineering-related disciplines, with 96% of them holding bachelor's degrees and 75% holding master's degrees or PhDs (see BusinessWeek.com, 6/11/07, "Immigrants: Key U.S. Business Founders").

    Patents: Evidence of Entrepreneurial Activity We also uncovered some puzzling data on patent filings. When we analyzed the international patent database maintained by the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), we found that 1 in every 4 patent applications from the U.S. in 2006 listed a foreign national residing in the U.S. as an inventor. This number had increased threefold over an eight-year period and didn't take into account inventors who had become U.S. citizens before applying for a patent.

    We realized that these foreign-national inventors were not likely to be from the same immigrant group that was founding high-tech companies. They were likely to be PhD students and employees of U.S. corporations who are in the U.S. on temporary visas. Temporary-visa holders can't easily start their own companies�their visas require them to work full time for the company that sponsored them.

    For our new research, we reanalyzed the WIPO patent database to look at which immigrant groups and corporations were applying for the most patents. To understand the foreign-national data, we examined extensive information published by the Homeland Security Dept., the Labor Dept., and the State Dept. We also reviewed the New Immigrant Survey to gain insight into the immigration process and to examine the potential that, even after becoming permanent residents, skilled immigrants might return home.

    Here is what we found:

    � Foreign nationals contributed to more than half of the international patents filed by companies such as Qualcomm (QCOM) (72%), Merck (MRK) (65%), General Electric (GE) (64%), Siemens (SI) (63%), and Cisco (CSCO) (60%). Their contributions were relatively small at Microsoft (MSFT) (3%) and General Motors (GM) (6%). Surprisingly, 41% of the patents filed by the U.S. government had foreign nationals listed as inventors.

    � Foreign nationals contributed to 25.6% of all U.S. international patent applications in 2006, but the numbers were much higher in several states such as New Jersey (37%), California (36%), and Massachusetts (32%).

    � In 2006, 16.8% of international patent applications from the U.S. had inventors with Chinese names and 36% of these (or 5.5% of the total) were foreign nationals. Similarly, 13.7% had Indian names and 40% (or 6.2% of the total) were foreign nationals.

    � Both Indian and Chinese inventors tended to file most patents in the fields of medicine, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, and electronics.

    Our analysis of the immigration data produced the most startling results.

    "Immigration Limbo" We estimate that, as of Sept. 30, 2006, there were 500,040 individuals in the main employment-based visa categories and an additional 555,044 family members in line for permanent-resident status in the U.S. An additional 126,421 with job offers were waiting abroad. In total, there were 1,181,505 educated and skilled professionals waiting to gain legal permanent-resident status.

    In the 2005-06 academic year, there were 259,717 international students in the U.S. There were an additional 38,096 in practical training�many of these are PhD researchers.

    One thing is certain: If we wait five years to fix immigration policy, the unskilled workers will still be here, but the skilled workers who are in "immigration limbo" will be long gone. Our loss will be the gain of countries we are increasingly competing with in the new global landscape.





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  • byeusa
    07-13 06:34 PM
    you are making very sensible points. lets not trash her work.Agreed her firm sucks with beurocracy and penny pinching ( they asked my friend to send $25 whe he requsted them to send the fex -ex next night service for his LC approval when they had charged him $ 3000 for expedited filing of his H1B case, which they took 3.5 weeks to file). Some of her lawyers do hide behind their paralegals but most of the law firms aren't any different. So please do not blame her for that. She is a good lawyer.

    One thing that i noticed though that she was rallying her clients to file 485 after july 2nd so that they can take part in the law suit. Once she was done billing her clients and the client checks cleared, she posted that she does not want to join the lawsuit as it will lead to increased scrutiny of her cleints. Go figure...





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  • eb3_nepa
    07-01 09:40 PM
    At this time, IV is analyzing the impact of the speculation around the July visa bulletin closure, and is reaching out to attorneys, including AILA and planning next steps. tomorrow being a working day will also help us get more information and opportunity to reach appropriate levels of government . We will share more information with you as soon as there are developments. In the meanwhile, you should go about business as usual, and file your 485/140 applications as planned.

    IMPORTANT: At this time, you are encouraged to update your user profiles on IV with the most current information and the best way to reach you. If we have an urgent action item, we may also send newsletters to all members.


    What exactly CAN the IV core even do about this? I mean no disrespect here, I am just trying to imagine how IV can even help with this issue?





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  • gvenkat
    10-21 12:38 PM
    /* Last 8 years, Republicans have done nothing to improve GC system. Lets give democrats a chance this time. */

    Do you have a voting right? Look whoever comes will not care abt EB3 India... for some time. The system has to fix itself or needs to be changed. If ppl with priority date of 2003 gets the GC around 2010. We should thank our stars and be happy.:)



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  • user2005
    01-16 09:42 AM
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  • neverbefore
    07-29 02:23 AM
    Hi all,

    I am not sure whether I should add this over here or not but I could not resist and I don't know any other way.

    I went to a wine shop and was shocked to see cartoon of Ganesha used on the bottle of India Pale Beer. I am not a religious person but this thing made me nervous. Please let me know how this can be protested.

    Thanks

    Please desist from such irrelevant postings here. If you have a personal problem, at least display the intelligence to find the proper forum for it.

    To answer your irrelevant question, such a thing can be protested best by not consuming the beer and most of all, to not give it publicity by laying bare your intellect at the wrong fora.



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  • qesehmk
    02-12 02:46 PM
    No rally, No pubic initiative.

    You mean PUBLIC !!

    Thanks .... you made me laugh after greyhair beat the daylights out of me!!





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  • Hope_GC
    07-16 08:05 PM
    Guys Looking at this false propagandas my blood boils after paying whole lot of taxes... we get to see these claims. :mad:



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  • perm2gc
    01-10 06:11 PM
    https://www.visapro.com/Message-Board/showthread.php?p=62321#post62321





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  • McLuvin
    03-09 12:27 PM
    Anyone for May 09 predictions???



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  • leoindiano
    03-17 10:19 AM
    EB2 India PD came only up till April 2004 before it retrogressed. There is no way anybody whose PD is between April to Sept 2004 could have applied before July 2007. They might have applied only in July 2007 when USCIS made EB2 PD current by mistake.

    Before retrogression started in "October 2005 Bulletin, Nov 2005 effective", there are quite a few people who applied for I-485 and had PD upto sept 2004. Those cases are approved. I know couple of cases myself.





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  • deepimpact
    09-10 08:50 PM
    It is a given that Demand is not stagnant . If it were , backlog would have been reduced by 140K this year alone.


    Each year the new quota is 140K , as long as the new demand each year ~100K - the remaining 40K goes towards backlog elimination . We will know in the next inventory report what is "net" reduction for 2010. One can do rough math of latest inventory report and the current priority dates to arrive at ~approximate figure of 35-40K.

    I think EB3 should get cleared in next 5 years - I think flood of new EB2 applications are overblown.

    I think "peak demand" was between 2003 and 2007 . Good news is USCIS is no more wasting numbers .

    Given that change to laws is almost impossible. We should sit tight and wait for 3-5 years.

    The problem with your analysis is not every one in the backlog has equal access to excess of 35-40K visas available each year. Most of the excess comes from EB4,5,1 and 2ROW and all goes to EB2 I/C. EB3 ROW gets ~30K every year (42K- 4*2.8K).
    Even if we are to assume that post 2007 the demand for EB2 I/C and EB3 is low then also it is ~ 15K for EB2 I/C and ~ 10K for EB3 ROW. But the way INA law is framed EB3 I (most backlogged with ~ 60K) will only get 2800 visa till either of EB2 I/C or EB3 row becomes current. And by current I mean real current, not July 2007. Using these numbers it will still take 4-5 for both EB2 I/C and EB3 Row to become current.
    This is assuming low demand in all EB categories continue.
    It will be only after 2014-15 that EB3I will get ~ 50K SOFAD(35K SOFAD which EB2 I/C was getting plus about 15K from EB3 ROW category). So in 2015 EB3 I will see a jump of ~ 4 yrs (2003-2007). So EB3I folks with PD after 2007 will have a relative wait time of ~ 8 yrs but folks from 2003-4 are looking at a 12-13 year wait unless reform like Recapture/STEM Degree holders & Dependents excluded from cap is passed.



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  • pappu
    01-16 09:44 AM
    Thank you Anurakt and others that have signed up. Anurakt I am sure this time our members will take up your challange and make you pay $500





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  • pcjandyala
    09-26 11:01 PM
    Dear Reader,

    Thank you for your interest in FSB. We admit that there was a
    mischaracterization of the Capitol Hill rally in the story and it was
    corrected as soon we realized the error.

    We have changed the story to correctly identify the mission as a
    protest of
    the long delays in securing green cards for highly-skilled workers
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    in the U.S.

    We will work to avoid errors like this in the future.

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  • Macaca
    01-28 12:06 PM
    In the new year, I have not seen any posts expalining how IV is "working" on resolving our issues. All that is posted now is requests for money. I know more money is needed and would be glad to contribute, if only the senior members show that some serious efforts are being made in the background. Yes IV did do very good work last year, but that is history now; but what work is going on now, nobody knows. Don't need details, but even broad details will help. Is something being done for appropriation bills, no one knows or tells.

    For example, after the elections no attempts virtually no attempts have been done to do webfax campaign tragetted towards pro-immigration inclined politicians. No lists have been made of such politicians. Just by waking up few days before the bills are discussed is not going to help.


    Once again, like many other posts that pop up at the rate of 1/day, very reasonable remarks. For a change they are civil. I have thought about all of them.

    The only difference is that I have some more time these days to think of the big picture. I concluded that the absence of these issues (and numerous others) is really not effecting any progress, and I can ignore these issues and contribute to progress.

    As a concrete example, I have thought of webfaxes/lobbying. Based on my analysis (which is completely independent of IV) of the current state of our bill, nothing significant is happening about it right now and it not posible to gauge the future. Thus, it is not an effective point for webfaxes/lobbying. With this conclusion, there is nothing to say.

    Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion as long as we move ahead.





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  • mrdelhiite
    07-23 02:41 PM
    Is there anyone like my case - concurrently submitting 140 and 485 who submitted WITHOUT current employment letter ?

    it is the ONLY requirement for 485 from employer. Please talk to your lawyer as your application can be rejected due to insufficient initial documents.
    -M



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  • lost
    02-15 09:24 AM
    Anybody from KY attending the event?





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  • bondgoli007
    07-29 02:42 PM
    @wizkid...Nice job!! Go on and pile it on the poor sod!

    You had already made your point in your initial post to this thread so why rub it in? Is it because you never have faced such a dire situation... if you cannot offer anything constructive atleast shut your trap, don't be such a jerk and let the guy vent!

    @uma...I can understand your frustration at this point. Is staying and working in the US very important to you? If so, you can try to workout a solution with your employer where you can work for them in a different country for 1 year and then maybe come back with a new 6 year H1 time. If the economy gets better (and hoping it would), you can perhaps negotiate with them to restart your GC process or at that stage move to another employer. I ask you to think ahead with calm and logic. You will find a solution which you will be happy with in future.

    I wish you all the best and Take care!





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  • ronhira
    03-12 12:37 PM
    I made it very clear even in past. I am more rational kinda guy. I want to know where my money is spent at high level - no details. I know its against IV policy. So I admire what IV is doing, I appreciate donor only forum but not contributing yet. May be I am wrong being too hard to be convinced. I will think over.

    n.b.: Yes, I do follow all action items including calling and faxing. I think everybody does this so needless to mention.

    u would think..... that everyone follow action items...... then y would we be in this mess if everyone is doing what they should......

    i think greyhair, you, kumarc123 are all part of the problem...... let me re-phrase that.... u r all a disease plaguing this eb community...... everyone has their own little petty reason for not participating...... so just eat taco with u'r $25, no need to think over.... keep volunteering me for doing things for u.... i don't care much for this bickering back & forth.... so leave me alone & let me enjoy my friday....





    gc_on_demand
    02-12 02:47 PM
    Waste of time : So many people and so many minutes.

    Waste of space on site : IV lost some space because of this thread.

    Marketing gain : That immi business So many people visited their site when they came on IV and saw this sizzling thread about visa wastage.

    Decide yourself who won and who lost...





    khushig
    09-05 02:07 PM
    I along with many more are graduating every year and filing for there OPT. Few students are lucky, as they are able to find corporate employers (not desi's) who would sponsor H1. But for others, time is the constraint so they have to find alternatives. Hence for most OPT students the option is to look for desi employers.
    I feel the problem that employers (small to midsize) are not educated about H1 B process. If this happens most of the problems will be solved. But for now with so many students graduating every semester, the only option is to go through desi employers, which in a way is not a bad idea (when you think long term).

    There are many sites that provide valuable information.

    www.desiopt.com is one of the many sites that helps students in this matter.
    www.Sulekha.com also provides information on some good companies.



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